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Just reported on CNN one body found inside second snow cave, first snow cave empty:(

Still waiting for word on other 2, footsteps leading away from snow cave one set towards summit the other heading down and going in circles which they suspect indicates confusion or delirium?
 
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shitty christmas/hanukkah/kwanzaa for those families......on the upside the one, and presumably other two, died doing something they love
 

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gravitas said:
shitty christmas/hanukkah/kwanzaa for those families......on the upside the one, and presumably other two, died doing something they love
Yes a horrible holiday for the families, tragic.

I guess I just don't get the fascination with mountain climbing especially when the conditions can change so drastically and the danger involved.

Experts have said that it was no longer the time to try an ascent of Mt Hood, not far past but past.
What motivates these guys?,,,,Is it the bravado of being able to brag that you climbed it AFTER the recommended climbing date?

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shapeshifter said:
I guess I just don't get the fascination with mountain climbing especially when the conditions can change so drastically and the danger involved.
What makes people skydive, bungy jump, fuck strangers bareback, race cars/motorcycles, etc.?

Some people need to be pushing the envelop at all times. Personally I don't get it. I like an adrenaline rush as much as the next guy but I'd rather plant my ass on the barcolounger and watch a movie then do somehing that could very likely kill me.
 

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shapeshifter said:
Yes a horrible holiday for the families, tragic.

I guess I just don't get the fascination with mountain climbing especially when the conditions can change so drastically and the danger involved.

Experts have said that it was no longer the time to try an ascent of Mt Hood, not far past but past.
What motivates these guys?,,,,Is it the bravado of being able to brag that you climbed it AFTER the recommended climbing date?

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I think they were training for an assualt on one of the big mountains. My climbs of Hood and Rainer were never about climbing the mountain. It was to train for another mountain. I think that the big storm we had killed all three.
 

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Some people need to be pushing the envelop at all times. .
so true, I have scuba dived for years and usually try to get in a dive
whenever I travel.

It always amazes me how often guys will ignore the basic safety instructions, procedures for different areas and push the envelope.

Once while drift diving off the coast of Cozumel a guy strayed away ignoring the simple instruction of drifting along in a group, the boat operator typically watches the bubbles coming to the surface and follows along....this dood found himself in trouble and for a while there was a real sense of panic back onboard
He surfaced quite a ways off and we spotted him which was a lucky break since it doesnt take very big swells to obscure someone floating on the surface.

He was exhausted and scared although he tried not to show it. :rolleyes:
 

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gravitas said:
What makes people skydive, bungy jump, fuck strangers bareback, race cars/motorcycles, etc.?

Some people need to be pushing the envelop at all times. Personally I don't get it. I like an adrenaline rush as much as the next guy but I'd rather plant my ass on the barcolounger and watch a movie then do somehing that could very likely kill me.
Pushing the envelope is good... but it has to be done with an understanding of the risks involved.

Riding a motorcycle is pushing the envelope... riding with-out a helmet (or just wearing a "beanie") is dumb.

Climbing in unsafe or not recommended conditions would have to be classified as dumb.

I've done both of those "dumb" things and was lucky... experience and age now give me a slightly better chance of survival.

M.
 

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CNN-- The search for two climbers missing on Mount Hood, Oregon, is over, and is now a "recovery effort," Sheriff Joe Wampler tells The Associated Press.
bad news has just gotten a little worse
 

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I know this took place in the US, but I wonder how much is cost to search for them and if those costs are recoverable. I don't know why the taxpayers have to foot the bill for that type of activity. It is not a public park but a wilderness area. Users of a wilderness area should carry some type of insurance in the event that they run into trouble. A desiginated park is a differnet matter.

Just my opinion.
 

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experienced?

All the had to do was splurge the extra $$ for a fuckin' GPS locator and they are saved.

Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances - I feel sorry for the families but for these guys, boofuckinghoo - you climb a mountain in the middle of winter - morons.
 

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Ilovethemall said:
experienced?
I realize that its a sad time for the friends and family of the dead climbers (who's kidding who, the other two are popsicles) but I do have to question their experience and logic of climbing when they did (ahead of a known storm) and their lack of preparedness (limited clothing, no MLT's/avalanche transceivers, etc). For fuck sakes, there are parts of Sunshine (which is a fully patrolled area) that when I ski you're required to carry that sort of basic equipment.
 

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there's a quote i read somewhere. i dont know if it was said by the first person to climb Mount Everest. But i do know it was someone who ventured up there. When he got back down he was half frozen and barely alive. Someone asked him "why did you go up there to die?"

and the guy said "I didn't. I went up there to live."

i think that's what those three climbers did. you get that rush of endorphins and you're hooked. you keep having to push the envelope to get that same high. i don't think anyone of them was worried about tax payer money when they decided to head up there. they knew the risks and took 'em.

their families shouldn't be mourning their demise, they should be celebrating their lives. all we do is sit here, tread water and bitch shit when other people are out there making things happen.
 

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I think there is a certain amount of selfishness that goes along with their NEED for an adrenaline high!

I don't know if all of them were married (but from what I have heard at least 2 of them were) and the spouses are now devastated and heart broken not to mention their parents and how hard this must be for them.

Its all great to like the thrills but are they really worth it at the expense of your loved ones deep grief and suffering?
The climbers are dead but their families have to deal with the void for YEARS and YEARS.

If any of the 3 had children then I call bullshit on the trip and total asshole selfishness, no child should have to grow up without a father because the dood liked his adrenalin rushes.

And for gods sake like Gravitas said there was a storm forecast and they didnt even have some of the fucking BASIC safety equipment like GPS, the one dood made a phone call and that was the best they had for locating the snow cave and a cell is nowhere near the accuracy of a GPS system plus the cell phone was wet and dead laying next to his body, if that was GPS it would still be working.

It's a tragedy that could have been easily avoided :(
 

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nube said:
I know this took place in the US, but I wonder how much is cost to search for them and if those costs are recoverable. I don't know why the taxpayers have to foot the bill for that type of activity. It is not a public park but a wilderness area. Users of a wilderness area should carry some type of insurance in the event that they run into trouble. A desiginated park is a differnet matter.

Just my opinion.
I don't think that the Air Cavalry Regiment considers the chance to test their skills a bad thing, the unfortunate truth is that they love it when some dumb fuck screws up by the numbers because it's the only time that the taxpayer will pay for high intensity training.

As more information becomes available, it becomes more and more apparent that the 3 climbers made a series of bad choices.

1. It's apparent that they didn't check the weather.
2. They weren't carrying needed equipment, nevermind any provision for accident.
3. It's clear that they were recovering their holds as they accended. That's just cheap and stupid. Modern holds are BIC and not intended for reuse.
4. It's clear that they summitted and had 1 or more of them fall as they started down. This could have been because of speed and poor technique or it could been a failure of a reused hold. What it did do is result in a seperated shoulder for the climber found dead.
5. It's clear that the other 2 climbers were alive on Saturday morning. One climbed up and found their friend dead, this is why the Y was cleared and visible. It wouldn't have been if someone hadn't cleared it after the storm.
6. It's clear that the other 2 climbers didn't want to be in the same snow cave as a seriously injured man. The snow cave they used isn't that far from their "friend's" and they checked the first cave before starting off the mountain.
7. It's clear that the other 2 climbers suffered a second accident on Sunday or Monday. Whether from excess speed, poor technique or poor equipment they are most likely in the ravine. If they were still alive, they would have responded to all the activity. The area that they have been tracked to doesn't offer locations for snow caves and therefore they couldn't be holed up.
8. If they had holed up in the first snow cave, they would all be alive and off the mountain. The dead climber was found because the trace on his cell phone got the searchers close enough to find the Y. Three people would have been able to keep warm enough to be alive on Monday. One injured person alone and unable to care for himself was guaranteed to result in at least one dead.
 

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agree

Well said SDW, the fact is that for supposed experts they took a series of bad chances - there are some basic rules before you go in the back country. When I do it, I have way more gear than I need - does this mean I am carrying too much stuff - probably, but at the same time, it's like a condom -

"Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it"

...and don't go climbing when there is a big fucking storm on the way! That is just STUPID!!
 
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