My concernes

There is no way you looked up the word Modirator in the dictionary

sorry just being a smart ass..

Miss Laura Lea said:

There is no way you looked up the word Modirator in the dictionary

sorry just being a smart ass..

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Fuck me if I'm wrong, but I agree with Miss Laura Lea, the word Modirator does not appear in any dictionary I am aware of.

CanadianRocky said:

Ya, Ya.....I fixed up the spelling. I am use to having spell check available...I fully admit I am a lousy speller...

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preachin' to the choir baby.

CanadianRocky said:

If this post is deleted then I believe my point has been proven.

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Look, PERB is a very unique venue as it allows for all sorts of people to post/discuss all sorts of topics. Lets arbitrarily there are 500 active members. Each of those 500 members brings to the table their own unique agenda, opinions and take on the world. If their input to the board causes undue grief or conflict then the mod's will step in and act. Also, as has been discussed at nauseum PERB is not a democracy. When you signed up you agreed to the T's & C's that FZ and the mod's have the final say in what stays posted and what gets culled.

If you're that fucking dissatisfied with the place then pack your bags and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

For fuck's sake...

this is a chat group about having fun and profit pooning. Who gives a shit if a post is deleted. Some people just take what could be a fun site and inject political and other bullshit into it. Then they get pissed when they are told to take their crap elsewhere.

The mods are unpaid and do their best to keep things in reasonable order. As others have said, if you don't like it go somewhere else. We will do just fine without you.

CanadianRocky said:

When I look in the dictionary and find the word moderator and the word censor, it is very clear to me that the job descriptions are very different.

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Indeed. Then again words sometime change or add meanings over time. Have a look at the urbandictionary entry for moderator. I think it captures many of the nuances of the word in the modern internet context. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moderator

If they where deleted, then I have a very serious concern with the Moderators of Perb.

The concern is that they have stepped over the line of Moderator, and have entered the realm of Censors.

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This debate is as old as ... probably the first review board. It's a bit of a sticky problem:
* anonymous moderators have limited accountability
* pseudonymous moderators have significant liability
* anonymous moderators can quash inappropriate content even from more influential posters.
* anonymous moderators can quash appropriate content from posters with whom they personally disagree

The thing is that moderation is a subset of censorship, because they constrain the content of a forum to that which the forum's organizers find acceptable. Some places that means no talking about left-wing politics, some places that means not saying "fuck you, you fucking fucker", some places that means not voicing disagreement with certain other individuals.

The details are a bit fuzzy to me, but I seem to recall at least small amounts of trouble befalling Tahoe Ted and the moderators of TRB some time ago. One of the big issues there is that handles were traceable back to people. Not sure about you, but I rather like the anonymity/pseudonymity we have here. Given that, I'm willing to put up with the side effects of anonymous mods.

One is that I am now wondering if they will start to censor my reviews. As of this moment they have not, but I must say that it will affect my writing about anyone or anything if I think they are reading my stuff not for content but for what they see as suitability.

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I doubt that. Over the years there've been some pretty... well, I think they're tasteless reviews. And some pretty useless ones. I may be guilty of the latter. It seems that reviews stand as posted, save for leaked personal information or blatant defamation.

Two is that if they are using censorship then it might make some people not write reviews which could affect the SP's who count on this type of report for some of their income.

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Methos posted that there are some people (some of whom may even post here) who you couldn't pay him enough to see. I agreed with every word, including that part. I'd think it far more likely that rather than fucking with the atmosphere of the board to drive away reviewers, that favorable reviews of those who a moderator dislikes would mysteriously vanish.

It's not in the advantage of the board ownership to have a shortage of reviews - I get that. I suppose you're calling on the board ownership to examine the behaviour of the appointed moderators to see if it's in the best interest.

If I continue to see this type action by the moderators it will have a very chilling effect on my writing in Perb.

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I'm sure it chills you. Maybe it'll drive you to leave, or maybe you'll just be assimilated. Me, I write what I write, I post what I post, and let the torpedoes (the delete key) be damned.

If this post is deleted then this will be the last post I put in here and it will be no more than a reading place for me as it will become a questionable place to do research. Also, all of my communications with fellow Perbits and SP's will by by PM only.

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I don't see why anyone would need to communicate their intentions to prospective SPs by any means other than private communication. And back-channels are a historical fixture. Politics, pooning, corporate machinations, shakespearean intrigues, the old-boy network...

I Really do not know what you are complaining about. Yes blatant shills and non paid advertising get removed. That is a suprise to you?

I don't make the rules, I just try and make sure everyone gets a fair deal.

There is no one on this board that I would not try and help out as long as the requests are reasonable and I can do it.

Take a look at some of the posts that go up, We have to look at each and every one at some point then decide if it should stay or not. You think there might be a reason I have a pm box that holds 1000 messages? I try and respond to each and every one and do what I can to help.

I was told by Modwest when I started that I would need a very thick skin and to expect that at any given time half the board will be mad at me for something, but then it turns around and the other half is mad the next day.
Very true words.

The purpose of your post was for you to express your dissatisfaction about the job the Mods are doing, Trying to tell us it is other wise insults all members.

As it has been said before, PM Fred and pose you questions to him.

CanadianRocky said:

And that is the whole point of the post in the first place.

And by the way, thank you. For not either swearing at me or calling me a whinning lttle shit.

Of course, I completly support those that did in their decision to do that....

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What's that about disagreeing, but defending to the death the right to be disagreeable? Or perhaps the notion that "for evil to win all that is required is that good men stand by and do nothing?"

I suspect that mods are appointed based on their posting behaviour and attitude - and willingness to clean up whatever infantile messes they're asked to. For the current ownership to behave as it does (ie. laissez faire) regarding the current moderator staff is approval of their actions. I don't believe for one instant that FZ doesn't know what the moderators are doing - and at this point, I'd guess he's probably pretty content.

Put another way: while we are pissing in the sandbox, at least we're all keeping it in one corner.