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I posted this at the end of another thread, but just read your suggestions re: new questions.

There was a thread in the lounge area regarding sex without condoms and I had posed the question of HIV being transmitted through deep french kissing. Someone replied that it was not possible, but I would like an expert opinion on this. Isn't saliva still a bodily fluid?
 
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old pooner said:
I posted this at the end of another thread, but just read your suggestions re: new questions.

There was a thread in the lounge area regarding sex without condoms and I had posed the question of HIV being transmitted through deep french kissing. Someone replied that it was not possible, but I would like an expert opinion on this. Isn't saliva still a bodily fluid?
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Yes, saliva is a body fluid but it is not one that has been shown to transmit the HIV virus.

In regard to HIV risk, I have included a paragraph from the centers for disease control (CDC) in the USA were they report that they have only documented one case that may be attributed to DFK.

The article discusses the HIV risk with kissing.

Kissing

”Casual contact through closed-mouth or "social" kissing is not a risk for transmission of HIV. Because of the potential for contact with blood during "French" or open-mouth kissing, CDC recommends against engaging in this activity with a person known to be infected. However, the risk of acquiring HIV during open-mouth kissing is believed to be very low. CDC has investigated only one case of HIV infection that may be attributed to contact with blood during open-mouth kissing.”




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what about the chances to catch other forms of sti/std's via deep french kissing? like french kissing a bit after getting a BBBJ or getting rimmed?
 
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reckoning said:
what about the chances to catch other forms of sti/std's via deep french kissing?
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The most common sexually transmitted infection (STI) that you can get from kissing would be herpes. It may be theoretically possible to transmit syphilis, but it is not common.

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Two other things to worry about, although not permanent like herpes, are chlamydia (the clap) and gonorrhea. Both of which can be present as mouth/throat infections and transmitted by 'deep kissing'.
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Chlamydia and gonorrhea can present as throat infections. While it may be theoretically possible to pass both by deep kissing it is very rare for this to happen.

We currently do not have a test that checks for chlamydia infections in the throat and there is still debate in the research on how well chlamydia will pass to the throat and how long it would be able to live there.

Gonorrhea of the throat is a common throat infection we find (usually presents with no symptoms). We only test your throat for gonorrhea if you have had a penis in your mouth as this has been shown to pass gonorrhea to the throat easily.

We do not test your throat for gonorrhea if your only risk is deep kissing, performing oral sex on a woman or having mouth-anal contact (rimming). We have found that these activities do not pass gonorrhea to the throat very easily.

Please respond if you would like me to clarify or expand on a topic.

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Question for Health Nurse

What does Saliva have in it that prevents the spread of HIV through deep french kissing or minimizes your chances of receiving HIV?
 
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what are the chances or can gonorrhea be transmitted by saliva?
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Hi mikem1

I found one study that showed that there was gonorrhea in the saliva of people who have gonorrhea throat infections.

Gonorrhea needs a particular type of cell to be able to live. These cells are present in the urethra (pee tube), cervix (at the top of the vagina, rectum (bum), throat and the conjunctivae (eyes). If you had saliva which was infected with gonorrhea, and it came into contact with any of these areas, it may be possible to transmit it.

This is why we see gonorrhea easily passed from BBBJ. The male urethra comes into close contact with the throat.

There would be a very low chance of getting gonorrhea from kissing or having oral sex with a woman because it’s harder for the gonorrhea to get to the back of the throat or up to the cervix where it can grow. We no longer do throat tests for gonorrhea in these situations as the odds of transmission are very low.

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Rolls Royce said:
What does Saliva have in it that prevents the spread of HIV through deep french kissing or minimizes your chances of receiving HIV?
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Hi rolls Royce

There are many studies that look at what happens when HIV comes in contact with saliva.

There are proteins and other substances in saliva that appear to make the HIV less infectious.

One study identified two high-molecular-weight sialyated glycoproteins identified as salivary agglutinin and mucin, as well as several lower-molecular-weight proteins. These proteins appear to interact with the HIV in away that inhibits the virus.

I have to say that molecular science is very far away from my expertise and I got the above information from scientific studies I was able to locate.

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One More Question

Thank you Health Nurse and thank you Boringdude666 for the info. Actually I do have one more question, what are the chances of getting HIV from digits play? I had a small surface abbrasion from biting a hangnail (I know bad habit) it bled a bit. I saw an sp a couple days later, I didn't think anything at the time, but I'm just curious. I know hangnails usually heal quite fast, but just wanted to ask anyway. Thanks
 
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Rolls Royce said:
Thank you Health Nurse and thank you Boringdude666 for the info. Actually I do have one more question, what are the chances of getting HIV from digits play? I had a small surface abbrasion from biting a hangnail (I know bad habit) it bled a bit. I saw an sp a couple days later, I didn't think anything at the time, but I'm just curious. I know hangnails usually heal quite fast, but just wanted to ask anyway. Thanks
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Hi Rolls Royce

I found no study that looks at the risk of hangnails and digit play. So what we end up with is a theoretical, but likely very low, risk. If you have an open area on your finger and you are exposed to infected body fluids (e.g. HIV, Hepatitis C, Hepatitis B) then it may be possible that the infection could be passed to you. It would also be possible that when you have a cut that you can expose someone else to infection.

Any wound that has started to heal would be a lower risk because new skin would be covering the open area. This would be the case with a hangnail that happened 2 days ago.

Using latex gloves is an excellent way to protect your self. You could also put a condom on your finger or use a finger cot.

Please feel free to comment or ask us to expand on a topic. Remember if you would like to ask me a personal question just send me a PM.

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Doesn't matter how you look at it, the key is always to practice safe sex. If one tries to interpretate these studies to find a way to give himself / herself an excuse to have unprotected sex, that would be sad.
 
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boringdude666 said:
The HIV virus is fragile to begin with - blood is a better medium to harbour HIV.
Saliva rarely has HIV to begin - they only theorize that amylase, lysozyme and other enzymes disrupt the few HIV molecules that are there to begin with.

Sweat, tears, and urine are not known to have HIV either for whatever reason.
"HIV in the Environment

Since the HIV concentrations used in laboratory studies are much higher than those actually found in blood or other specimens, drying of HIV-infected human blood or other body fluids reduces the theoretical risk of environmental transmission to that which has been observed--essentially zero. Incorrect interpretation of conclusions drawn from laboratory studies have unnecessarily alarmed some people.

Results from laboratory studies should not be used to assess specific personal risk of infection because (1) the amount of virus studied is not found in human specimens or elsewhere in nature, and (2) no one has been identified as infected with HIV due to contact with an environmental surface. Additionally, HIV is unable to reproduce outside its living host (unlike many bacteria or fungi, which may do so under suitable conditions), except under laboratory conditions, therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host."

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/transmission.htm

Laboratory environment - this includes temperature and a suitable medium.
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You are wrong. Saliva is proven to be inhospitable to hiv survival. It is not theorized and has nothing to do with "temperature" of saliva. You are confusing environmental survival with bodily fluids. There is a difference. Re read the study you pasted above. It has nothing to do with saliva. What it does show is HIV does not survive in the environment and dies very very quickly when exposed to it hence the statement "therefore, it does not spread or maintain infectiousness outside its host".

Oral sex is no risk for HIV, neither is hand to genital contact (for any STD for that matter). Never has there been a "proven"case. There have howeer, been several studies done on serodiscordant couples where condoms were used for intercourse but not oral. Nt one infection ever happened over the many years the studies took place. There have been billions of blowjobs over the years but no proven cases. If there were, there would be a category for it in the surveillance data.

Bottom line, wear condoms for intercourse (anal and vaginal) and do not share works and you will live HIV free. You could get other things by oral of course, but none that will kill you (unless not caught and remains untreated) like HIV will eventually do.
 
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It is impossible to catch HIV from french kissing lol. And its not even considered a low risk , its not considered a risk at all.
From recent studies it has been shown that salivary inhibitors render the virus non-infectious. So in answear to your question you can french kiss all you like you will not catch HIV from this lol.
 
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