Holdback on donations

wilde

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For those of you familiar with the construction industry you already know what a holdback is. For those who don't, it is the act of holding back a certain percentage of money when you pay the contractors. After the job is done and you are satisfy with the end results, you release the holdback to the contractor. If you feel more work is needed you will not release the holdback until that work is done.

To apply the above to pooning but only in seeing an SP the 1st time, what do the pooners and SPs think? Let's say you see a new ad in the B&S and you went ahead and TOFTT. The SP wants a donation of say $$.5. When you show up for your appointment you would pay her $$ (assuming the SP is attractive enough for you to stay). Then after the deed you would give her the rest if you were given the level of service that was promised. This will help to eliminate those rip-off SPs who do a 360 degree turn in attitude, bring out the latex glove or tell you that F/S means a massage after they get the full donation.
 

t1163

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Good luck with that...

I like your quote!
 

wilde

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BOBST

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It is an interesting Idea, but I don't know that I would try it. (maybe I am to trusting and have not been burned enough times!!!)
 

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wilde said:
For those of you familiar with the construction industry you already know what a holdback is. For those who don't, it is the act of holding back a certain percentage of money when you pay the contractors. After the job is done and you are satisfy with the end results, you release the holdback to the contractor. If you feel more work is needed you will not release the holdback until that work is done.

To apply the above to pooning but only in seeing an SP the 1st time, what do the pooners and SPs think? Let's say you see a new ad in the B&S and you went ahead and TOFTT. The SP wants a donation of say $$.5. When you show up for your appointment you would pay her $$ (assuming the SP is attractive enough for you to stay). Then after the deed you would give her the rest if you were given the level of service that was promised. This will help to eliminate those rip-off SPs who do a 360 degree turn in attitude, bring out the latex glove or tell you that F/S means a massage after they get the full donation.
Sorry, Wilde. Not quite the same thing.

In the construction industry, the holdback is called a builders lien holdback. It's not there to ensure the contractor performs the work, rather it's there to ensure the contractor's subcontractors, material suppliers and labour are paid for the work they do on that project. The holdback is then released after a period of time, provided no liens by subcontractors, material suppliers or labourers have been filed before then. If the contractor didn't pay his subcontractors and suppliers, they are entitled to file a lien and sue to get the holdback from the client regardless of the state of the completion of the services by the Contractor.

To apply a similar approach to SPs, clients would have to keep the holdback until they were certain the SP's phone girl, phone bill, hairdresser, landlord, website host, etc. were all paid since all of them "worked" on the project to produce the lovely, talented SP. :D

Now, too bad we couldn't get some SP services directly from some of their subcontractors, such as the phone girl from BBC.... :D

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wilde

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Opps again, god I feel like Britney. But you get the idea. :)
 

curvy_nympho

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This SP's perspective on a "holdback"

As an SP, I believe it is my responsibility to ask enough questions and probe enough to find out exactly what my client is wanting from me. If I do enough "homework", then my client will leave satisfied. All expectations and limits are discussed beforehand. That way there are no surprises on either end.

Maybe other SP's don't work this way?????
To me, it just makes sense.
Fantasies and desires are all very individual and I have found that most people have a very specific idea in their heads about what they want. I am not a mind reader, so I just ask.

I think I would be insulted if a client wanted to hold back part of the donation until the end of the session pending his approval. I have also had someone stiff me for 5 browns a while back, so now I prefer a new client to take care of the donation FIRST so both of us can relax.

I know that I always give my sessions 100% of my energy and enthusiasm. If something doesn't "click" for whatever reason, (sometimes chemistry just doesn't happen between two people, or the client is too nervous to perform, etc.) I still think I deserve to be paid for my time.

Both the client and the SP have certain risks attached in pursuing this form of pleasure. One of those risks, is that sometimes two people just can't do the horizontal tango without bumping noses or stepping on each other's feet.

Not to make this TOO much longer, but I do believe SP's should be honest about what services they offer and what they look like. I am and it's definitely worked for me. Most of my clients are repeats and I rarely start seeing anyone new.

For the clients, don't be shy about asking really detailed questions. If you want something, ask for it, ask if there is an extra fee or if the provider will do it or not.

That's my 2 cents...well...a little more than 2 cents!

bella
 

wilde

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curvy_nympho, thanks for your feedback.

This proposal is aimed at dishonest SPs. I am sure most of us have heard stories or have encountered these situations.

1) Promised GFE or certain level of service. Once the donation is exchanged, it becomes don't touch this, don't touch that, I don't kiss, no fingers, blah, blah, blah.

2) Promised full service. Once the donation is exchanged, you find out their definition of full service is a HJ or worst just a 5 min lame massage followed by upselling. And the worst case scenario, the SP tells you that it's that time of the month.

3) Make you feel like Jackie Chan (Rush Hour). Once the donation is exchanged, you get a 2 min BJ then CG right away and followed by have you cum yet every two minutes.

I do realize that this will never fly. The dishonest SPs will object for obvious reasons but the honest ones will also object because they feel it is unnecessary. Just wanted to get a discussion going. :)
 

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wilde said:
...Once the donation is exchanged, you get a 2 min BJ then CG right away and followed by have you cum yet every two minutes.
yeah and then there's the thing about probing the condom for 'evidence'. Fuck, what am I - a lab specimen...?
 

Bruddha

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wilde said:
Promised full service. Once the donation is exchanged, the SP tells you that it's that time of the month. :)
I have had that happen and worse, some have acted surprised to find out that their moon is rising in the middle of our session. It has happened to me several times and it makes me want to give up on the hobby for good. I am always totally respectful of the sp's I have been with, but that good will is often not reciprocated.

"A man can be happy with any fawning tart, as long as her moon is not rising in the middle of harvest." -- Oscar Wilde
 
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curvy_nympho

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Here's another 2 cents

A study was done regarding advertising costs (and for the life of me I can remember where I read it so I can't quote the source) that said that it was 4 times as expensive to get a new customer as it was to keep your existing ones.

Personally, with the risks I take being an SP, I would far rather have regulars who respect and appreciate me than constantly be trying to get new clients because I pissed everyone off by being a flake or dishonest. Also, BAD word of mouth can kill any type of business including this one.

It's just good "business" to answer calls or emails promptly and to keep appointments.

I certainly understand that sometimes there are unavoidable emergencies, but that's what telephones are for!!!!!


bella
 

curvy_nympho

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Just a side comment for Wilde

Not that this has anything to do with anything but...

Oscar Wilde is one of my favorite playwrights. Wickedly witty!

It was nice to see your quote!

bella
 

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wilde said:
3) Make you feel like Jackie Chan (Rush Hour). Once the donation is exchanged, you get a 2 min BJ then CG right away and followed by have you cum yet every two minutes.
NEVER understood this. If someone pays for an hour, or whatever, that should the the minimum amount of time the guy has the SP at his disposal. End of story.

I cannot believe that this concept is to difficult to understand. If the guy is being rushed out the door at 38 minutes, for example, he should be provided 22/60 of his $ back. :)
 

planetsmurf

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i think that idea in theory would be a good but in reality i think that it is a bad idea because there would be some unnessacary tension between sp and client.and if i am seeing them for the first time i want to start out on a good note not a sour one as i believe many sp would feel about it and as for having a bad session i view that as the cost of being in this hobby. before i see an sp i get as much intel i can from this board by going through every review i can and if i have a bad session it sucks but i move on but since i have been on this board the worst session i have had was a just an ok counter. nit great but not bad either
 

Walk Softly

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Let's face it...there are risks for everyone and if you get less than satisfactory service from a SP: vote with your feet. (Then tell us all about it and her buisiness will suffer!)
 

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Walk Softly said:
Let's face it...there are risks for everyone and if you get less than satisfactory service from a SP: vote with your feet. (Then tell us all about it and her buisiness will suffer!)

UNLESS the notices are removed from the boards. That was a real problem for a long time that is hopefully gone now. Correct?

Also, when paying for something that is clearly advertised as something else, do you play full price with other aspects of life? If you ordered a nice dinner and they brought you a burger and fries that were cold and tasted funny after a few bites, theoretically you were "fed" but should you pay "nice dinner" prices? You pay for a Lower Bowl seat at a concert or game and find yourself in the nosebleeds....a refund is certainly in order...right?

I like the idea of exposing rip offs through honest reviews BUT I also feel if the advertising is false in any way (she posts that she is 29 and you find out she could hang with your mom as they went to high school at the same time or you pay for an hour and you are pushed out the door early or ....SO many examples), then not only should it be posted but the price should be reduced commensurate with the bullshit found. :)

Wilde's holdback concept is one reasonable approach. You put a deposit down on so many things in life and only pay fully when you GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR. Why not with a SP? :confused:
 

Bruddha

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Warranty ...

Forget the 'holdback', for a few extra bucks one should be able to purchase a 'warranty'. :)

 

Bruddha

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bubbles112 said:
Bubbles112: hmmm this is getting good ...
... now, I would also like to inquire about a NHW 2-5-10. Is she registered in a third party hooker warranty program?

Operator: Yes, London Guarantee.

Bubbles112: Oh my ... I am getting very turned on by what you are saying to me. Come on baby, say more, go on .... :)
 

WannaPlay

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Well, i really hate to be the only SP on here saying this.....
Im not sure wether it is the fault of some of the "girls" giving us all a bad name, but since when do we get compared to a car dealership? or perhaps a burger joint?

Its not supposed to be a "buy one get one free" deal here guys!

its bad enuff that we all have deals and the ever humiliating coupon.
I know the biz has gone downhill in the last few years, but why has it come to all that???
 
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