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Julie Page said:
A girl who just started working out of my incall had a really bad experience.
She's new to the biz, and he took advantage. I won't go on about details for her sake, but he left without paying, and then came back with abusive threating texts.
Saying he is a big shot, etc. That he will call cops.
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THANK you for sharing this information! Bullies rely on their victims staying silent; I hope she reports this to LE. What she is doing is not illegal: what he is doing is.
 
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I just think that if all of us girls communicate, we will take away their power in this sense. I've met so many really nice guys doing this, but one bad one can erase all of that in an instant.
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You're right, of course! Building community will do that! I consider myself fortunate that the only bad experiences I have had were solely of my own doing and of the 'dumb' rather than the tragic variety! (and that's the last exclamation point I will use today...maybe.)
 
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Weren't those laws suspended, and we are not waiting for the gov to try to push through the new ones?
 
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left in place for one year, or until the government can pass a bill to replace them. if they don't pass the bill within the year, or come up with a good reason why the year shouldn't be pushed back, then the laws will be taken off the books

i doubt anybody has ever been busted in the lower mainland for keeping a common bawdy house, but since the advice was to go to LE because the lady was not breaking the law, i thought i would inject a note of caution into the discussion, as the lady that was allowing somebody to use her suite was indeed breaking the letter of the law. she/they can still take their chances and report the dude to LE, but they should do so with their eyes wide open, and/or their stories straight
 
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OUCH!

I had a similar experience with this guy - using the name Simon, from Alberta. I'm not new to the biz and I'm embarrassed honestly to have fallen for his shtick. I'm also sorry I didn't post something about him sooner after my experience.

Basically he calls looking for a full eve. for 2000$ - wants you to go in and book the hotel etc.

Out of respect for the original poster I also won't go into too much detail. He ended up ripping me off for a couple of hours of my time (waiting for the appointment not with him), some kissing and a phone charger (believe it or not)

Keep an eye out for this guy ladies. He uses a sob story about how he got ripped off/stood up by other girls and he's all upset. He drives a white car, two-door (I think) that in his own words is 'worth 85,000$'

My support goes out to the girl who got ripped off and I'm sorry I didn't post something sooner about this guy, I feel somewhat responsible :(

~Sarah Flint
 
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foxy.sarah.flint said:
OUCH!

I had a similar experience with this guy - using the name Simon, from Alberta. I'm not new to the biz and I'm embarrassed honestly to have fallen for his shtick. I'm also sorry I didn't post something about him sooner after my experience.

Basically he calls looking for a full eve. for 2000$ - wants you to go in and book the hotel etc.

Out of respect for the original poster I also won't go into too much detail. He ended up ripping me off for a couple of hours of my time (waiting for the appointment not with him), some kissing and a phone charger (believe it or not)

Keep an eye out for this guy ladies. He uses a sob story about how he got ripped off/stood up by other girls and he's all upset. He drives a white car, two-door (I think) that in his own words is 'worth 85,000$'

My support goes out to the girl who got ripped off and I'm sorry I didn't post something sooner about this guy, I feel somewhat responsible :(

~Sarah Flint
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It's not your fault at all. It's scary and embarrassing and you worry about what people are going to think. Or, if there will be repercussion from the bully.

This just goes to show that we really need to talk about our bad experiences, and I have no qualm about using this public forum. We all know that most of our dates are safe and sane. But sometimes people slip through the screening process, or make the screening process scary, and bad things happen. We are very lucky when it's not violent. But we don't need to be victims.

You boys, too! If you get ripped off or threatened, or worse, assaulted, report it. Even anonymously. The police want the shitty people stopped, too. If they are robbing people, there is a pretty good chance there are crimes are being committed, right?

This doesn't need to be so shitty! It can be such a nice exchange, when you remove these kinds of people. Less fear, more pleasure. And, ladies and gentleman, always keep in mind, that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

Stay safe, everyone.

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Miss Melody said:
Yup. Exactly. But don't try and tell him he was wrong. Lol.

Is it any different than a hotel? Not really.
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Actually, he's not wrong. Perhaps it would be best if you do some research on the topic before inadvertently spreading misinformation that could potentially put others at risk of finding themselves in legal difficulties. By the way, yes, even using a hotel room for calls can be considered a "common bawdy house" See the following:

http://www.walnet.org/csis/legal_tips/trials/bawdybiz.html

http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/lop/researchpublications/2011-119-e.htm

Section 197(1) of the Code defines the relevant terms. “Common bawdy-house” means a place that is kept or occupied, or resorted to by*one or more persons, for the purpose of prostitution or to practise acts of indecency. Courts have interpreted this to mean that any defined space is capable of being a bawdy-house, from a hotel , to a house, to a parking lot*- provided that there is frequent or habitual use of it for the purposes of prostitution or for the practice of acts of indecency,23 and the premises are controlled or managed by individuals selling sexual services24 or individuals with a right or interest in that space.25 Further, the test used to determine whether an act is indecent is a community standard of*tolerance.26
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Miss Melody said:
That's for people running/managing a bawdy house, if you rent or loan your place to a gf for whatever purpose you aren't running a bawdy house you are loaning or renting space just as a hotel rents space. What they do with that space is none of your business. THAT is what I meant, thanks.
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Did you not read the information posted in the links?! Landlords CAN be charged if they are aware that the premises they rent out are being used for the purposes of prostitution.

3.1 Bawdy-Houses
3.1.1 The Current Law
Sections 210 and 211 of the Criminal Code contain the bawdy-house offences. Section 210 provides the following:

1. Every one who keeps a common bawdy-house is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.

2.Every one who
a. is an inmate of a common bawdy-house,

b. is found, without lawful excuse, in a common bawdy-house, or

c. as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier, agent or otherwise having charge or control of any place, knowingly permits the place or any part thereof to be let or used for the purposes of a common bawdy-house,

is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.22
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Courts have also held that to be found guilty of keeping a common bawdy-house a person must have some degree of control over the care and management of the premises and must participate to some extent in the illicit activities that take place there - although this does not necessarily mean participating in sexual acts.27 A sex worker may even be found guilty of keeping a common bawdy-house where he or she has used his or her own residence alone for the purposes of prostitution.28
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Which means that as a landlord it is ABSOLUTELY your business how the space you rent out is being used. Now, in a hypothetical scenario where a landlord is accused or charged they can certainly plead ignorance about how the space is being used. But we can go around and around in circles about hypothetical scenarios. VCC simply explained what the letter of the law is and again HE WAS NOT WRONG. However, you continue to post your misinformed opinions without first researching what is, in fact, accurate.
 
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Man Mountain said:
Did you not read the information posted in the links?! Landlords CAN be charged if they are aware that the premises they rent out are being used for the purposes of prostitution.

Which means that as a landlord it is ABSOLUTELY your business how the space you rent out is being used. Now, in a hypothetical scenario where a landlord is accused or charged they can certainly plead ignorance about how the space is being used. But we can go around and around in circles about hypothetical scenarios. VCC simply explained what the letter of the law is and again HE WAS NOT WRONG. However, you continue to post your misinformed opinions without first researching what is, in fact, accurate.
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The operative phrase being "if they are aware". It would have to be proven for a charge to stick, so the prosecutor would need evidence for that. I imagine that most people who rent space out for that purpose take great pains to avoid knowing what the space is being used for. So it is very unlikely that anyone would get charged under that provision unless they were personally running the operation.

In this case, if the lady made a complaint, she would not be facing a charge herself since to be a "common baudy house", the police would have to show that it was habitually being used for prostitution. Her complaint however would only involve one instance of its use, so that would fall short of the standard regarding frequency of use. Remember that police cannot simply assume that it has been commonly used, they would have to prove that. And since the complaint would be about extortion, that is probably going to be the extent of the investigation.

Charges for keeping a common baudy house usually result from an investigation triggered by complaints from neighbors, not a complaint made by an SP.
 
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Tugela said:
The operative phrase being "if they are aware". It would have to be proven for a charge to stick, so the prosecutor would need evidence for that. I imagine that most people who rent space out for that purpose take great pains to avoid knowing what the space is being used for. So it is very unlikely that anyone would get charged under that provision unless they were personally running the operation.

In this case, if the lady made a complaint, she would not be facing a charge herself since to be a "common baudy house", the police would have to show that it was habitually being used for prostitution. Her complaint however would only involve one instance of its use, so that would fall short of the standard regarding frequency of use. Remember that police cannot simply assume that it has been commonly used, they would have to prove that. And since the complaint would be about extortion, that is probably going to be the extent of the investigation.

Charges for keeping a common baudy house usually result from an investigation triggered by complaints from neighbors, not a complaint made by an SP.
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Julie Page said:
A girl who just started working out of my incall had a really bad experience.
She's new to the biz
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vancity_cowboy said:
i doubt anybody has ever been busted in the lower mainland for keeping a common bawdy house, but since the advice was to go to LE because the lady was not breaking the law, i thought i would inject a note of caution into the discussion, as the lady that was allowing somebody to use her suite was indeed breaking the letter of the law. she/they can still take their chances and report the dude to LE, but they should do so with their eyes wide open, and/or their stories straight
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Man Mountain said:
Now, in a hypothetical scenario where a landlord is accused or charged they can certainly plead ignorance about how the space is being used. But we can go around and around in circles about hypothetical scenarios. VCC simply explained what the letter of the law is and again HE WAS NOT WRONG.
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I don't necessarily disagree with most of what you've posted, Tugela. But it's really easy for any of us who wouldn't be directly affected by the outcome of this to make claims about what the outcome could "likely", "unlikely" or "probably" be. I simply believe that VCC's advice was the most sound given the posted facts and what the letter of the law is.
 
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Julie Page said:
I just think that if all of us girls communicate, we will take away their power in this sense. I've met so many really nice guys doing this, but one bad one can erase all of that in an instant.
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I can see this as the one valuable aspect of having escorts part of something like Perb. No real men want these assholes to be out their either as it puts everyone on edge and attracts LE attention etc. Rest assured there are more than a few of us that would love to take these dipshits out to the woodshed if we knew who they were.

Stay safe!
 
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Seriously?
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Yup. I don't think there are too many other. What I largely see otherwise is overpromotion from some (which likely kills more business than it helps), drama beyond need, bullying of reviewers which will lead to some scams continuing, control over who can be reviewed (according to many PMs I have received) and escorts who get into threads and do nothing for their own reputations beyond convincing guys that "that is the last person I want to pay to spend time with".

So, yes, seriously. That is my opinion. I am sure it doesn't mesh with yours.
 
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