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trooper
03-21-2003, 10:01 AM
Just wanted to let everyone know, i got told by one of the classyladies girls. That everything is back on track, phone lines, ads, and of course the girls. They are coming back stronger then ever. I heard they were also moving to a way better location. fired a few girls. THANK GOD> its going to be good .

vicplay
03-22-2003, 12:19 AM
That's good news - once again we'll perhaps have a great selection among the agencies....

Clearly Seductions has some wonderful people and so does Escape....

Classy has some work to do to catch up and rebuild some credability

velvetmoon
03-23-2003, 07:21 PM
Seductions is also moving to a new location, so i guess things are just looking up all around........

vicgfelover
03-30-2003, 11:36 AM
I like the quick thumbnail table that Seduction has on their bcdarlings page. It would be great if they could combine the schedule with the thumbnail clips so that you can "click" and "choose" based on time availability. Or how about a SP "matchmaker" where you can choose age, phyiscal type, etc and then it matches you up. Mmmmm, SP matchmake *drool*. :-)

mars_guy
03-30-2003, 11:35 PM
It seems some amature worked on the CL website. They should definitely fix that quick.

BTW, How is Hipster related with CL? Long time back I saw a picture on the website with Hipster Doofus written on it.

Vicgfelovers idea is good. Gotta admit though that pictures speak volumes. Seductions website sucks compared to CL. their wesite need more (clear) pictures.

Bentinck
03-31-2003, 03:05 PM
I just saw the new site for the first time...why would they change it to that? What crap, hard to navigate and looks generally low budget...guess Vikki's money is still being spent else where...SU site is way better now that Vince has gone over there...wonder what shmuck CL hired? :( Well CL's loss is SU's gain that is for sure!!

bigmoe69er
03-31-2003, 05:30 PM
Obviously, a money saving technique......... ----Moe

mr. reisling
03-31-2003, 05:40 PM
After looking at their site guys I gotta say you are being a little picky. I still think it is one of the better sites around. Just think how many sites show girls that they dont even have on staff. In my opinion and I have used classy before when I was in Vic they still have a decent website.

Bentinck
03-31-2003, 06:12 PM
Hey I was just wondering why they are still advertising Brittany who is now Ashley Cross, and Kimmi who still goes by that name but they are both indies, as well as Selena Moore who in her letter to Vikki a while back asked to have all her advertising taken down is still being posted as working there...Vikki seems to be still hoping that some of the more popular girls will bring in the calls to her agency in hopes that a guy will settle when one of the girls he asks for "isn't working" but so and so is and you will like her very much...according to the phone girl, try it I did and was told just that, what a joke!

vicgfelover
03-31-2003, 07:26 PM
I have to give credit where credit is due. A while ago I mentioned about Seduction having departed SP pics on their site still and within a couple days the site was updated and changed. I think having the thumbnail pics on a main gallery site is better than just listing names.

The eros site has a small scrollable thumbnail on the lefthand side that is quick and easy to navigate.

Another suggestion to all those web designers, how about a "click to see who's working today" link on the main page it would give clients some info on who was available to book with.

I'm not sure about other hobbyists, but its rare for me to book one, two or more days in advance. I generally call to book for the same day. Virtually all independents and agencies get quite a number of crank or non-serious calls so anything that agencies can do to minimize that would probably serve both SPs and hobbyists well.

bigmoe69er
03-31-2003, 08:17 PM
Very astute observation, Bentinck.....you are right on! ---Moe

vicplay
04-01-2003, 12:11 AM
BTW, How is Hipster related with CL? - The hipster I know, ISN"T

Just think how many sites show girls that they dont even have on staff - CL certainly fits this bill - Bentinck is absolutely "bang on".... (pun intended)

In the many years of playing - it all boils down to the money - Eros is better funded - Mind you, the new BCDARLINGS.COM site is getting quite good and is informative....

Now, as vicgfelover says, need to get a little more functionality there.....

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Play nice folks and you'll be rewarded.

Hipster Doofus
04-01-2003, 02:55 AM
I dont know why you guys are raggin' on CL for, but for your memories sake, just a couple of points on CL.

CL , in its prime did some pretty innovative stuff that has yet to be reproduced by any other website. The sheer amount of pictures they put up on their website must have numbered in the thousands and at one point all the escorts wanted to work there. (who could forget the video of Audrey shaking her ass!)


Many of todays indies used CL as their launch point, learning about the biz and the internet and tours to other cities. They looked like they had fun with the boat trips, xmas parties, BBQ's that they documented with photos. Who do you think bankrolled that? Name ANY other agency that does this.


I remember once when my date no-showed me. CL comp'd me with another appointment. Name ANY other agency or escort that would do that.


When they first opened the Penthouse, Victoria had never even seen what an upscale escort looked like. Katie Cole, Kylie Foster, Brooke Ashton, Willow, Aja Pearl(Tawny) and Faye commanded $300 per hour and worth every penny.


CL attracted pooners from all over the PacNW, and alot of the other agencies and indies got spin-offs too. They did that by having a updated gallery and schedule. They do not bait n' switch. Every agency in Victoria knows that is suicide.


So CL has fallen on some tough times but lets keep it in perspective. You may have an issue with CL but whats the worst that could have happened? Did ya die? Did the doctor have to cut off your penis? Okay so you went home a little frustrated. BFD. Kicking them when they are down is a classless act.

There are always two sides to every story so keep that in mind when you see an attack on anybody.


There are still some VERY hot girls at CL. (Kayla, Tabitha, Terran, Francesca, Jenny, and others who escape my memory)

islandguy
04-01-2003, 09:05 AM
Hipster is right CL was my favorite agency for years. They had picts up of so many beautiful girls, if the one you wanted to see wasn't on they might even phone her and get her to come in. Or if the girl was a no show have one there for you that could turn in to your new favorite.

shank
04-01-2003, 09:14 AM
is good. CL may now be undergoing a restructuring/downsizing but will emerge stronger than before. When you have been in biz for that long it says something. Rather than taking sides and getting involved in catfights we should welcome all this competition.

So when are the other agencies going to make a Vancouver tour?

Bentinck
04-01-2003, 01:26 PM
Yes CL had it's day in the sun, the video with Audrey, Selena, and Gisele I remember very well...but that was ages ago. They haven't done anything like that since then. You make some great points Hip and I'm not here to rag on CL completely, I was just wondering why Selena, Brittany, and Kimmi are still on the gallery making it look like they work there. I phoned, I asked for these girls and the phone girl told me that they weren't working that day but so and so would fit the bill...they very obviously don't work there, so why the deception???

Bentinck
04-01-2003, 09:08 PM
So it looks like the gallery was cleaned out on the CL site...where did everyone go?? Brittany is still up, so is she still working there part time? Just curious....

vicplay
04-01-2003, 10:12 PM
Lets keep this all in perspective - CL was my favourite agency - with the exception of one Indy that I saw (and still do) - CL got ALL the rest of my patronage and the patronage of a few very good friends.

Hipster makes some excellent point and all are true - I know, because for many of them I've first hand experience and was "there".....

I have many fond memories of the likes of Faye, Katie cole, Kylie Foster, Brooke and a number of others whose names escape me.

I've heard that Vikki helped many of the girls financially with their problems and issues and I know she has been a great friend to many....

So, they are in hard times - that happens in the business - they seem to be cutting a few "web corners" perhaps to save $$$ and if they've updated the site has Bentinck indicates that shows that they are being as responsive as they should be...

I wish them all well....

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Play Nice and You'll be Rewarded

mars_guy
04-01-2003, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by shank
So when are the other agencies going to make a Vancouver tour?

I remember Seduction making a vancouver tour but had some really bad reviews coming out.

mars_guy
04-01-2003, 10:31 PM
CL is still one of the best.

"they are in hard times - that happens in the business - they seem to be cutting a few "web corners" perhaps to save $$$ "
-- vicplay

As vicplay said above we need to give them a break.

It seems some of the competition (including independents) are trying to take some undue advantage out of this situation.

THE COMPETITION atleast needs to achieve what CL has. (hipster sited numerous examples)

I'm pretty sure CL will bounce back. With a person like viki, there is huge potential.

deke
04-02-2003, 12:00 AM
The top indies have left CL. This is not a bad thing. Just like many other businesses, you build a good clientele, and then go it on your own (like a good chef or hairdresser). Why pay the house fee when you can collect all the money for yourself. CL has been a stepping-stone for many sp, and I would rather have them around if nothing more than to at least have competition around.

pickupjoe
04-02-2003, 12:41 AM
The Hipster makes a lot of good points of CL. I've seen many of the CL ladies over more than several years. Lots of good times with some of the ladies I have seen there, especailly the penthouse ladies.

If CL is going through hard times as mentioned on this site, I'm sure they will bounce back even stronger. There not dead, they just dropped a bit in the standings. Competiton is always good. If the service is good, I'll continue to visit.

By the way, I notice Terran isn't listed on the CL site. Any word on her?

adios...

Hipster Doofus
04-02-2003, 01:59 AM
To answer Bentinick's question

managing an escort agency isnt like working at McDonalds. Throw everything you've learned about standard business practices out the window cause it dont apply to the sex industry. 60% of the girls never give a formal notice of intent to leave. They just quit and dont tell anyone. 20% get fired and the other 10% leave and then come back, leave and then comeback. Only about 10% actually give notice. Managing 20 young 'bad' girls, I can only imagine is an exercise in frustration. ( But being 'bad' is what makes them 'good')


I'm not defending CL either. They 've done some really stoopid shit. Granted. But any trash talking you see are personal grudges deserved or not I dont know.

vicplay
04-02-2003, 02:05 AM
Hipster right... and the observations of others are also right.

Give CL a break and let whatever happens - happen naturally!!

No one is trying to take undo advantage any more than WestJet takes advantage over Air Canada with cheaper fares - that is the nature of competition and free enterprise - whether it is in the sex business or the airline business. In either - good staff, good service will get you good clients - and profits go up. Problems with staff, problems with service will LOSE clients and profits go down.

Thats Life....

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Remember, Play nice it gets you further... ;)

mars_guy
04-02-2003, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Hipster Doofus
Managing 20 young 'bad' girls, I can only imagine is an exercise in frustration. ( But being 'bad' is what makes them 'good')

Oh yeh bad girls. we get to meet some quality fresh talent thru them.


Originally posted by Deke
The top indies have left CL. This is not a bad thing. Just like many other businesses, you build a good clientele, and then go it on your own (like a good chef or hairdresser). Why pay the house fee when you can collect all the money for yourself. CL has been a stepping-stone for many sp, and I would rather have them around if nothing more than to at least have competition around.

Alleast the indies should show some gratefulness to CL who have used it as a stepping-stone.

Mr. Downtown
04-02-2003, 06:00 PM
Well said, Hipster.

Coming back to Victoria for visits, not knowing one single avenue to rely upon for searching SP's (other than faceless Monday Mag), CL was there in full glory along with Viki's phone advise asking you exactly what you want and who the best match was for me. Always a soft, classy sell, if the best matching girl wasn't working, then she would ensure that the next time I called back, I would hook up. The Penthouse was an awesome arrangement.

vicgfelover
04-02-2003, 07:21 PM
Lately CL has been known predominantly for its poor incall location and haphazard service (mostly sub-par recently IMHO). Like with any service business you don't' always expect it to be first class, but when you get several sub-par experiences in a row then people tend to look elsewhere. There was a time when CL was a LOT better. The past year or so most of the agencies and independents (again IMHO) zoomed ahead of them now in terms of quality of environment and service. No business can rest too long solely on their reputation of the past, but what they deliver in the present. I don't state this so much as a criticism, but as a commentary on their place in the hobby here in Victoria. Personally, I'd love it if they returned back to the CL of old (or better) but until they change a lot of things, most of my hobby money goes elsewhere.

shank
04-03-2003, 01:09 AM
is a good thing for clients. You get more variety and if you're lucky you may even see someone brand new in the biz. Generally, these newbies don't have the hard business attitudes of gals who have been in the biz a long time.

CL and CC used to have many newbies and hopefully more in the future. Girls come and go for whatever reason. It happens in any biz, more so in this one. No big deal.

I'd rather see an under 25 gal in an agency like CL or CC who is kinda new in the biz than an over 25 indie that has been in the biz a while. There are exceptions but they are far and few in between.

mars_guy
04-03-2003, 03:28 AM
You guys are correct, the SU site does look much better compared to their last site which sucked.

http://www.bcdarlings.com/seduction.htm