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Contentious issues on PERB. How did you develop your opinions?

badbadboy

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We appear to be very black and white when contentious issues are presented on PERB. Some posters automatically take the side of the 'poor downtrodden drug addicted people put into this predicable social situation'.

I post more of a support for Law and Order support theme based upon these lines:

Years ago, I had my apartment broken into at 4 AM by an addict looking for his dealer. He had the wrong apartment and it turned out he needed to climb up the fire escape to the third floor not the second. He broke my kitchen window and confronted me looking for his stuff. There was a violent incident on my part removing this person from my apartment. I was not charged and he was hospitalized.

I have had two vehicles windows smashed looking for loose change although none was visible. I caught one and dealt with him accordingly without the LEO attending the incident.

I have had materials stolen from the front of my home that were to be used for a renovation. The LEO know who the thieves were but require more intel to move forward on the file.

I have had the police attend my residence while one person went through my vehicle looking for valuables. He was tasered when he refused to exit my vehicle. In his jacket were my CD's and about $4 in loose change.

I have been robbed in the USA while threatened with a weapon while on holiday.

I have a few friends in the LEO and consider them to be honourable good people who would not abuse their position.

I support our Police service and overall I am supportive on how they deal with thieves, drug addicts, people who do damage property and abuse other citizens that are innocent.

I abhor the general consensus on PERB that all LEO are bad and all LEO abusive of their powers. There are bad apples for sure as many videos have been posted here and elsewhere. However, I believe there are a majority of good Police in our GVRD.

When people are posting their support for the poor downtrodden on PERB is it because the LEO have done them wrong personally or is it an ingrained dislike that they have grown up with from their own families of origin?
 

CorriGuy

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I'm still new here and have zero cred (lurking for a long time don't count) but I can't help but comment here.

edited out stuff that it wasn't my place to say regarding violence etc


On your subject of the cops, just like everyone else in society theres good ones and bad ones. When there is a bad cop, my opinion is the "brotherhood" has to NOT rally around the bad seed, but eject the poison as fast as possible. Problem is, this doesn't happen - they rally. Which erodes public trust. Cops are and should be held to a higher standard by nature of the job, position and trust they have. Cops in our country work mostly on a system of trust -you trust that these keepers of the law will uphold the law always - especially including their own interaction with the law. The problem with some of our societies is we shift (or degrade) back to that other system cops have worked with for centuries and in many countries - fear. I do not want to live in any society where the average citizen, even someone down on their luck, has to fear the cops. The only thing people should fear from cops is that if they break the law, they will be arrested. They should not fear being beat up when handcuffed and in a nonthreatening position.

I do generally respect the cops and have gone out of my way to say I appreciate the service on more than a few occasions when I've seen some action. I guess I would respect the police force even more than I did now if they moved quick to recognize their brother officers who have eroded the public trust, and ejected those people as soon as possible.
 
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violetblake

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Opinions are almost always formed by someone's life and experiences. The fact that you've had so many run-ins with criminals, and you are friends with police officers, it's not surprising that you feel the way you do. And that's fine. It wouldn't be surprising if someone who has had run-ins with police felt differently.

The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Personally, I believe that yeah there's gotta be some good cops out there. But as Corriguy said, when one of their own screws up, and it's ALWAYS covered up, you can't really blame people for losing trust in those that are supposed to protect us, can you? There's some good cops, some bad cops, but if most were good, how come there's dozens of women coming forward with claims of sexual harrassment and assault from their fellow officers? How come Pickton was allowed to kill all those women when the police knew he was probably the guy? And the few instances a cop has driven drunk, killed someone, and the entire force covers it up? The list goes on.

When it comes to criminals, it may be tempting to base your judgements on your experiences and emotions, and if I had experienced as much as you, maybe I would feel the same. But I haven't, so I'm able to look at the situation a bit more objectively. Yes, personal responsibility needs to come into play, people do need to be held accountable for their actions. That being said, a realistic and fact-based approach needs to be used with criminals. The vast majority of criminals are not people who grew up in great neighbourhoods, had a wonderful childhood with a loving family, and all the opportunities in the world. So it's important to understand how these people got into the situation they're in, how they individually can be helped (if they can, not everyone can be), and how we can prevent people from going down that path in the first place.

Basically I'm saying, neither extreme is helpful. Not all cops are bad, but not all cops are good. And criminals are not all the scum of the earth who should be thrown in jail forever, but they shouldn't just walk the streets freely either. People should just use their heads when forming opinions about these issues.
 

badbadboy

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Opinions are almost always formed by someone's life and experiences. The fact that you've had so many run-ins with criminals, and you are friends with police officers, it's not surprising that you feel the way you do. And that's fine. It wouldn't be surprising if someone who has had run-ins with police felt differently.

The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Personally, I believe that yeah there's gotta be some good cops out there. But as Corriguy said, when one of their own screws up, and it's ALWAYS covered up, you can't really blame people for losing trust in those that are supposed to protect us, can you? There's some good cops, some bad cops, but if most were good, how come there's dozens of women coming forward with claims of sexual harrassment and assault from their fellow officers? How come Pickton was allowed to kill all those women when the police knew he was probably the guy? And the few instances a cop has driven drunk, killed someone, and the entire force covers it up? The list goes on.

When it comes to criminals, it may be tempting to base your judgements on your experiences and emotions, and if I had experienced as much as you, maybe I would feel the same. But I haven't, so I'm able to look at the situation a bit more objectively. Yes, personal responsibility needs to come into play, people do need to be held accountable for their actions. That being said, a realistic and fact-based approach needs to be used with criminals. The vast majority of criminals are not people who grew up in great neighbourhoods, had a wonderful childhood with a loving family, and all the opportunities in the world. So it's important to understand how these people got into the situation they're in, how they individually can be helped (if they can, not everyone can be), and how we can prevent people from going down that path in the first place.

Basically I'm saying, neither extreme is helpful. Not all cops are bad, but not all cops are good. And criminals are not all the scum of the earth who should be thrown in jail forever, but they shouldn't just walk the streets freely either. People should just use their heads when forming opinions about these issues.
Violet I agree with a lot of what you have posted.

I find it difficult be be somewhat sympathetic to people who are living on the fringe of society who steal and destroy property. That said, I almost always give a couple of bucks to someone if they ask for it on the street. I tend to give it to those who have mental issues but have given money for food to people apparently on drugs too.
 

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The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Personally, I believe that yeah there's gotta be some good cops out there. But as Corriguy said, when one of their own screws up, and it's ALWAYS covered up, you can't really blame people for losing trust in those that are supposed to protect us, can you? There's some good cops, some bad cops, but if most were good, how come there's dozens of women coming forward with claims of sexual harrassment and assault from their fellow officers? How come Pickton was allowed to kill all those women when the police knew he was probably the guy? And the few instances a cop has driven drunk, killed someone, and the entire force covers it up? The list goes on.
You are assuming that violations are allways covered up, but you think that based on what is reported in the media. The media only report on that sort of thing when it IS covered up. They don't report when discipline is enforced normally. So you are going to see a very one sided view of that particular issue. The vast majority of police officers are good decent people, just like every one else.

There is going to be sexual harrassment in every profession, and, btw, women are just as guilty of it as men. The main difference is that when men are the victims they generally don't or can't complain about it. It is not surprising that it happens in the police force, they are human just like the rest of us. One more thing, regarding these allegations, what makes you so sure that they are based on fact? Just because someone made a claim? Women are as capable of being sociopaths as men, so you can't know that all these people are being truthfull in the absence of corroboration. It takes more than just an allegation. If someone made an allegation of criminal behaviour about you, you would expect them to produce proof and rightly so. Why should it be any different for anyone else.

Pickton wasn't "allowed" to kill. The issue was that there were multiple forces involved, and multiple personalities with different opinions about what was happening. So he got lucky and literally slipped through the cracks for a while. No one "let" him kill, as soon as they found out what he was doing they arrested him.

The police are human, not machines, and have the same flaws as anyone else.

I disagree about criminals. Not the ones who committ statutory crimes, but the ones who steal, cheat and hurt others. They ARE the scum of the earth. Their souls are stained and there is no redemption for the vast majority of them. They don't care about what impact their activities will have on others, and they never will. They best they can do is cover it up so no one will notice until eventually they do it again (and they will).
 

violetblake

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You are assuming that violations are allways covered up, but you think that based on what is reported in the media. The media only report on that sort of thing when it IS covered up. They don't report when discipline is enforced normally. So you are going to see a very one sided view of that particular issue. The vast majority of police officers are good decent people, just like every one else.
There are so many instances of the police screwing up horribly that are reported in the media. If there are even more cases of cops screwing up, even if they weren't covered up and were dealt with appropriately (which is highly unlikely the media wouldn't find out about it), then the cops are screwing up even more than we thought! lol.

There is going to be sexual harrassment in every profession, and, btw, women are just as guilty of it as men. The main difference is that when men are the victims they generally don't or can't complain about it. It is not surprising that it happens in the police force, they are human just like the rest of us. One more thing, regarding these allegations, what makes you so sure that they are based on fact? Just because someone made a claim? Women are as capable of being sociopaths as men, so you can't know that all these people are being truthfull in the absence of corroboration. It takes more than just an allegation. If someone made an allegation of criminal behaviour about you, you would expect them to produce proof and rightly so. Why should it be any different for anyone else.
Good ol' blame the victim argument, never gets old eh. Tugela: THINK. Why would an officer risk her entire reputation and career to make a false accusation? Cause that's what's happening to a lot of these women when they come forward, hence why they haven't come forward til now. There is nothing to be gained by it. Financial compensation? For what the women coming forward are going through, it wouldn't be worth it to most. Maybe one or two out of 100 would make it up, and that's being generous. There's way easier ways to make money if you're a scammer.

Pickton wasn't "allowed" to kill. The issue was that there were multiple forces involved, and multiple personalities with different opinions about what was happening. So he got lucky and literally slipped through the cracks for a while. No one "let" him kill, as soon as they found out what he was doing they arrested him.
Do some research into this case. There were numerous cops who blatantly said they were just hookers so who cares about them. I'm not making this up, I really wish I were, cause it's scary people like that A.exist B. are the people who are supposed to protect society. As I said, I don't hate cops, but I don't blindly cut them all the slack in the world either. I attended the Missing Women's Inquiry and let me tell you, if you heard some of the things said about the police force, both RCMP and VPD, you would not cut them so much slack.

I disagree about criminals. Not the ones who committ statutory crimes, but the ones who steal, cheat and hurt others. They ARE the scum of the earth. Their souls are stained and there is no redemption for the vast majority of them. They don't care about what impact their activities will have on others, and they never will. They best they can do is cover it up so no one will notice until eventually they do it again (and they will).
And speaking of cutting people slack, why is it you're willing to cut slack to people who are in a position of authority, people who's entire jobs are to protect us, yet use that authority to hurt, cheat, steal, and lie, yet you're not willing to cut people slack who have a mental illness? Who have had some of the worst things in life happen to them? Either cut both slack or cut neither, but scum is scum, whether they're wearing a cop uniform or rags.
 

CorriGuy

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I still think Violet Blake is awesome. Whatever you do, please don't retire as an SP for at least the next six months :D

I wrote something a lot longer last night in my post above regarding violence begetting violence and kharma and and how one's circumstances reflect their opinions etc etc. Ended up deleting it because it was really preachy for a sp.client board :D Basically boiled down into living your life as if kharma exists. But I just wanted to post again to say a) I have an identical stance to what Violet's been writing and b) I generally like cops. Just not the bad ones.
 
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