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If you live in Kamloops: Might wanna keep your cat indoors at all times from now on..

Miss*Bijou

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.. because apparently, teenagers are now aware that beating a cat to death with a hammer (and then bragging about it, of course) is an acceptable extra curricular activity. One that comes without any bothersome consequences - unless you happen to dislike being rewarded with a short vacation from school, of course.

But otherwise, hammer away.:thumb:





NO CHARGES IN WESTSYDE CAT KILLING


Three Westsyde teenagers alleged to have brutally beaten a cat to death last year will not face criminal charges.

Kamloops Crown Counsel released a statement today (July 5) saying there was not a substantial likelihood of conviction should the file proceed and charges were therefore not approved.

Last September, Kamloops Mounties announced at a press conference they had recommended animal-cruelty charges against the three teens, all of whom are older than 14.

Police launched an investigation into the incident in May 2010, after one of the teens alleged to have been involved allegedly boasted about killing a cat on his Facebook page.

Rumours circulating at Westsyde secondary were that the youths beat the animal to death with a hammer. Police at the time said only that the cat was brutally beaten.

The incident is alleged to have taken place on May 26, 2010.

The three youths were suspended from Westsyde before the end of the 2009-2010 school year. They were allowed to return to the school in the fall.

In B.C., police investigate alleged crimes and pass on reports to the Crown office, where lawyers then decide whether charges will be laid.

According to the Canadian Department of Justice, Crown Counsel in B.C. bases charge approvals on public interest and "substantial likelihood of conviction" as opposed to "what a 'reasonable person' can conclude."

The provincial policy requires prosecutors to consider the admissibility of evidence, the weight likely to be given to the admissible evidence and the likelihood that "viable, not speculative, defences will succeed."

Kamloops RCMP Staff Sgt. Grant Learned said senior officers from the local detachment met with Crown lawyers on Monday (July 4) and were informed the charges wouldn't proceed.

"Our senior officers agreed with the decision that was put forth," he said.

"In the discussions held with Crown, they identified the weak points in the investigation, particularly where they see a viable defence that can be made available."






Awesome.:doh:
 

sr8razr

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A stay of charges is quite common when the crown believes a conviction is not possible with the available evidence.

Kudo's to the journalist for spinning the story effectively to maximize the emotional response of the uninformed public.
 

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Not sure how a story about the brutal beating and killing of a cat with a hammer is supposed to not be emotional.

I did read and I get it. However you can't possibly tell me that this isn't sending out a strong message that there are no consequences to that kind of behavior.

You may not be able to consider the "system" or "laws" might be flawed and circumstances might be wrong even if not technically illegal or law might not be enforceable. There are others who think a little beyond this and are able to comment on the bigger picture.

I'm glad you're satisfied knowing that the outcome is just a results of limits in the law and you don't feel the need to question the way things are. Really, good for you - I wish I could too.

But I can't. I see the whole picture and I call it the way I see it - and the message from this situation is really disturbing, regardless of what the law may or may not do.
 

sr8razr

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Something bad happened. There is no evidence to convict. This article references secondary school rumors. What do you want or expect to happen? Would you honestly prefer these kids are convicted and punished on public opinion?
 

sr8razr

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Lol...thank you for this example on how the ignorant respond to disagreement. For the record, logic > emotion.
 

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Kudo's to the journalist for spinning the story effectively to maximize the emotional response of the uninformed public.
Please point out the "spin"
 

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Fuck that makes me fucking angry. The parents should be forced to beat these kids to death with hammers. The teens who did this are a waste of oxygen and will amount to nothing. I hope they die. When I was in highschool there were a group of boys who bragged about how the previous night they put a kitten in a microwave and laughed at how brain damaged it was after. I know another person who, when he was younger, skinned a cat alive and left it on it's owner's doorstep. It belonged to a girl at my school, and she was fucking messed up for years after that. I don't care how old you are, you do shit like that and you deserve the same violence done to you.
this is a point i would love to see elaborated......bet you anything crime like this wouldnt happen as often. sick fuckers.
 

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Execution by VCP

It is also seems OK for a Vancouver City Police officer to execute a severly injured man crawling on hands and knees by shooting him in the head because after the shooting the man was found to have vicegrips in the waistband of his pants and was thus armed. Don't believe me? Here's the link.

http://www.bccla.org/pressreleases/11Pliers.pdf
 

sr8razr

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Ok, you win. I'm convinced. In fact, there is no need for evidence, prosecuters, judges or trials. High school rumors and public outrage should be enough to pass judgement & punish. Queue wild, wild west or witch trial music.
 

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No point of prosecuting if there is no evidence to convict otherwise its just a waste of tax payer dollars, kinda like trying Pickton again when he had received the max sentence he could.

Having said that as an animal lover and the proud owner of two dogs these kids should get some serious help before they do become Picktons! Also cat owners keep your fucking cats inside, they are domesticated pets and have no business being outside getting preyed on by other wildlife, cars and pissing on my door step. I can only imagine if my Dobie and Jack Russel ran rampant in downtown foraging through people's garbage the outcry I would hear.
 

sr8razr

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But there must have been something fishy about these teenagers for them to be accused in the first place. Maybe the article doesn't state concrete evidence, but the fact that there are suspects that seem to be known makes me wonder.
My sweet, sweet girl. They probably did it. Unfortunately no matter how many people feel this way it is far from meeting the criteria of "beyond a reasonable doubt". So far, that people who know more about this than me decided a conviction could not be reached, so made the responsible choice. Maybe a civil suit could be brought against them by the owners, but I'm not sure what this would accomplish either.
 

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My sweet, sweet girl. They probably did it. Unfortunately no matter how many people feel this way it is far from meeting the criteria of "beyond a reasonable doubt". So far, that people who know more about this than me decided a conviction could not be reached, so made the responsible choice. Maybe a civil suit could be brought against them by the owners, but I'm not sure what this would accomplish either.
That's totally fine. But there's nothing wrong with feeling outraged, disappointment or with saying it's sending out a wrong message. That's the point. I don't know why this is up for debate. We don't know the specifics but we can still have an opinion or express how we feel about the outcome.

Maybe if we knew all the details we'd agree with their decision. But we could still feel all of those things regardless of what we thought of the legal aspect. And that doesn't mean laws can't be changed. Canada's laws are notorious for making it hard to successfully convict animal abusers because it's especially hard to prove abuse due to how the laws are written. And even when convictions are successful, Canada's also notorious for light sentences.

If that were the case in this situation, then public opinion is a good way to suggest maybe it's time to make some changes.

All of that is one thing. But how we feel about it completely different. I'm really not sure why you're arguing or what you're disagreeing with, to be honest.
 

sr8razr

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I've been granted the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.
 

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I've been granted the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.
It's just that your tone was condescending and your style passive-aggressive. You say you know the difference, but you can't seem to let this go.
 

sr8razr

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You don't strike me as an animal lover. To chide others for their reaction to this, just seems cold.

This needs to be taken very seriously - it's proven that kids who torture and kill animals grow up to be very disturbed sociopaths. Throw the book at these assholes.
If the victim was human and not animal, this wouldn't be so quickly dismissed.
Yes let's throw the book at them. I'm sure the rumors at the high school are true. Sets a scary precident, dont you think? No evidence required in animal cruelty cases. Glad the ignorant lynch mob here has no power.
 
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