Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age!

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Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age

Lorne Gunter, National Post Published: Monday, February 25, 2008

Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.

The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."

China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.

There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new houses.

In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.

And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.

The ice is back.

Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.

OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades.

But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature.

And it's not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the climate-change dogma.

According to Robert Toggweiler of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory at Princeton University and Joellen Russell, assistant professor of biogeochemical dynamics at the University of Arizona -- two prominent climate modellers -- the computer models that show polar ice-melt cooling the oceans, stopping the circulation of warm equatorial water to northern latitudes and triggering another Ice Age (a la the movie The Day After Tomorrow) are all wrong.

"We missed what was right in front of our eyes," says Prof. Russell. It's not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not properly accounted for the wind's effects on ocean circulation, so researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of manmade warming on polar ice melt.

But when Profs. Toggweiler and Russell rejigged their model to include the 40-year cycle of winds away from the equator (then back towards it again), the role of ocean currents bringing warm southern waters to the north was obvious in the current Arctic warming.

Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats."

He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon.

The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.

It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

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http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289
Things that make ya go hmmm?

or is that brrrr?

;)

But wait! - we've seen this before:

The Cooling World
Newsweek, April 28, 1975

www.denisdutton.com


Here is the text of Newsweek’s 1975 story on the trend toward global cooling. It may look foolish today, but in fact world temperatures had been falling since about 1940. It was around 1979 that they reversed direction and resumed the general rise that had begun in the 1880s, bringing us today back to around 1940 levels. A PDF of the original is available here. A fine short history of warming and cooling scares has recently been produced. It is available here.

We invite interested readers to vist our new website: Climate Debate Daily. — D.D.




There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now. The regions destined to feel its impact are the great wheat-producing lands of Canada and the U.S.S.R. in the North, along with a number of marginally self-sufficient tropical areas – parts of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indochina and Indonesia – where the growing season is dependent upon the rains brought by the monsoon.

The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it. In England, farmers have seen their growing season decline by about two weeks since 1950, with a resultant overall loss in grain production estimated at up to 100,000 tons annually. During the same time, the average temperature around the equator has risen by a fraction of a degree – a fraction that in some areas can mean drought and desolation. Last April, in the most devastating outbreak of tornadoes ever recorded, 148 twisters killed more than 300 people and caused half a billion dollars’ worth of damage in 13 U.S. states.

To scientists, these seemingly disparate incidents represent the advance signs of fundamental changes in the world’s weather. The central fact is that after three quarters of a century of extraordinarily mild conditions, the earth’s climate seems to be cooling down. Meteorologists disagree about the cause and extent of the cooling trend, as well as over its specific impact on local weather conditions. But they are almost unanimous in the view that the trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century. If the climatic change is as profound as some of the pessimists fear, the resulting famines could be catastrophic. “A major climatic change would force economic and social adjustments on a worldwide scale,” warns a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences, “because the global patterns of food production and population that have evolved are implicitly dependent on the climate of the present century.”

A survey completed last year by Dr. Murray Mitchell of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reveals a drop of half a degree in average ground temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere between 1945 and 1968. According to George Kukla of Columbia University, satellite photos indicated a sudden, large increase in Northern Hemisphere snow cover in the winter of 1971-72. And a study released last month by two NOAA scientists notes that the amount of sunshine reaching the ground in the continental U.S. diminished by 1.3% between 1964 and 1972.

To the layman, the relatively small changes in temperature and sunshine can be highly misleading. Reid Bryson of the University of Wisconsin points out that the Earth’s average temperature during the great Ice Ages was only about seven degrees lower than during its warmest eras – and that the present decline has taken the planet about a sixth of the way toward the Ice Age average. Others regard the cooling as a reversion to the “little ice age” conditions that brought bitter winters to much of Europe and northern America between 1600 and 1900 – years when the Thames used to freeze so solidly that Londoners roasted oxen on the ice and when iceboats sailed the Hudson River almost as far south as New York City.

Just what causes the onset of major and minor ice ages remains a mystery. “Our knowledge of the mechanisms of climatic change is at least as fragmentary as our data,” concedes the National Academy of Sciences report. “Not only are the basic scientific questions largely unanswered, but in many cases we do not yet know enough to pose the key questions.”

Meteorologists think that they can forecast the short-term results of the return to the norm of the last century. They begin by noting the slight drop in overall temperature that produces large numbers of pressure centers in the upper atmosphere. These break up the smooth flow of westerly winds over temperate areas. The stagnant air produced in this way causes an increase in extremes of local weather such as droughts, floods, extended dry spells, long freezes, delayed monsoons and even local temperature increases – all of which have a direct impact on food supplies.

“The world’s food-producing system,” warns Dr. James D. McQuigg of NOAA’s Center for Climatic and Environmental Assessment, “is much more sensitive to the weather variable than it was even five years ago.” Furthermore, the growth of world population and creation of new national boundaries make it impossible for starving peoples to migrate from their devastated fields, as they did during past famines.

Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.

—PETER GWYNNE with bureau reports

So which is it are we warming or cooling?

I am beginning to think these scientist have no clue about what they are postulating, that or they all have way too high estrogen levels.

:rolleyes:

Try reading this site:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10783


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Hi Krustee,

I don't have time for a detailed response, but in general there is always "balance" -- think of it as a conservation (not conservation of environment, but conservation of energy or mass etc.) principal.

There will be places that will cool and there will be places that will warm -- so the concept of global warming or global cooling will cause issues -- but the real concept is a shifting climate or Climate Change. I.e the artic is warming, but the stream that carries warm currents to england may be distrupted by an additional influx of water (the melting caps) and cause the temperature there to drop substantially -- more snow for the brits, but a loss of ice pack in the Artic.

Overall, I think that the concern with CO2 and other green house gases isn't misplaced -- but much of the conclusions are being based on data to date and it is a mystery as to if there is a larger global cycle that is occuring.

In the orginal article by Langis, the colder temperature have only occured briefly and it was said that "if they continued" the ice pack may end with a gain in overall thickness in areas. So you could look at this year as a potential anomaly in the current trend, if we have a couple of years of this in a row -- then it may mean more -- but as with any event there is a certain amount of chaos -- there is going to be statistical noise in the trend, but if it is weighted more towards warming -- then that is the info you go on.

On a funny note -- I remember reading a peer-reviewed journal article that talked about the potential impact of wind farms, if they were built en-masse they would milk so much energy out of the prevailing winds that it could result in a temperature shift in Europe -- regardless of whether right or wrong -- the motto I think is really action and reaction -- for everything we do there is a reaction, are we willing to live with the consequences?


Cheers,

C
 

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Hey Kruster, how come you are so hell bent on bringing so much bad news to Perb? What did we do to deserve this? Perb should be a more fun place where we can go find escapism from the negativity in everyday life:p
How about taking time to enjoy the lovely, insightful and sexxy ladies that come here and add so much spice and nice to Perb. Just a thought...
 

Krustee

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Hey Kruster, how come you are so hell bent on bringing so much bad news to Perb? What did we do to deserve this? Perb should be a more fun place where we can go find escapism from the negativity in everyday life:p
How about taking time to enjoy the lovely, insightful and sexxy ladies that come here and add so much spice and nice to Perb. Just a thought...
Your right I should take some time out to smell the roses:



 

Krustee

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On a funny note -- I remember reading a peer-reviewed journal article that talked about the potential impact of wind farms, if they were built en-masse they would milk so much energy out of the prevailing winds that it could result in a temperature shift in Europe -- regardless of whether right or wrong -- the motto I think is really action and reaction -- for everything we do there is a reaction, are we willing to live with the consequences?


Cheers,

C
 

blazejowski

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I mean, seriously, man. From what I can see, your SP reviews are few & far between, and isn't that the whole point of this board? I'm not saying you should stop posting altogether, but the last few months it's been nothing but doom & gloom, one post after another...

For example:

++ You Must See This!!! ++

Just when we thought it couldn't get worse!

Economists say Canada is headed towards an unprecedented economic struggle

Canadian bankruptcies soar 47 percent!

What's it gonna cost?

The fall of the Dollar & the rise of international socialism.

Who bennefits from Obama's Stimulus Bill?

How the Clinton administration sold out America - The banking sector

Obama: Deceiver, Cheat, Swindler, Liar, Fraudster, Con Artist

Average Canadian family spends more on taxes than necessities of life: survey

...and that just the first page... :rolleyes:
 

Krustee

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I mean, seriously, man. From what I can see, your SP reviews are few & far between, and isn't that the whole point of this board? I'm not saying you should stop posting altogether, but the last few months it's been nothing but doom & gloom, one post after another...

For example:

++ You Must See This!!! ++

Just when we thought it couldn't get worse!

Economists say Canada is headed towards an unprecedented economic struggle

Canadian bankruptcies soar 47 percent!

What's it gonna cost?

The fall of the Dollar & the rise of international socialism.

Who bennefits from Obama's Stimulus Bill?

How the Clinton administration sold out America - The banking sector

Obama: Deceiver, Cheat, Swindler, Liar, Fraudster, Con Artist

Average Canadian family spends more on taxes than necessities of life: survey

...and that just the first page... :rolleyes:
Curious - on what day were all those threads on the first page?

:rolleyes:
 

Krustee

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Krustee THE CLOWN (key word here is CLOWN) fills in for Cosmo when Cosmo is too busy forecasting doom and gloom.

Unless you have a degree in business and/or finance, take heed of some sage advice from Jedi Master Yoda, Krustee:

sperminator THE JIZZ BOY (key word here is JIZZ) fills this board with silly postings about donairs & anything of which he can draw a correlation to Star Wars.

Unless you are the owner of this board, take heed of some mature advice from Lord Vader, spermy:




Stuff this up your puerile little ass!



:rolleyes:

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This post is NOT courtesy of your friendly neighbourhood Sperminator.
 

HB40

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To the right
Krustee THE CLOWN (key word here is CLOWN) fills in for Cosmo when Cosmo is too busy forecasting doom and gloom.
sperminator THE JIZZ BOY (key word here is JIZZ) fills this board with silly postings about donairs & anything that he can draw a correlation to Star Wars with.
Wow, you guys are both right! What a paradoxical shift in the space-time continuum. :rolleyes:
 

Krustee

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Oh my.

It is neither proper nor correct to end a sentence with a preposition. It's quite obvious you also do not have a degree in English.
???

:rolleyes:


Hey! Which one of you posted the comment "you are pathetic" on my reputation point score card and gave me a NEGATIVE reputation point, anyway? Why can't you have a heart? It's my b-day soon! Have a heart!!

(BTW, it's a donair, not a taco. Why does everyone think it's a taco?)
 
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